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2005 House Bill 5130 (Revise prison time off for good behavior)

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  • Introduced by Rep. George Cushingberry on September 7, 2005, to revise provisions giving prisoners good behavior “credits” that are considered at parole hearings, and recalculate the release and parole eligibility dates accordingly. This would allow earlier releases for some prisoners, within the context of Michigan's "truth in sentencing" laws.
    • Referred to the House Judiciary Committee on September 7, 2005.

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Introduced by Rep. George Cushingberry on September 7, 2005. New Comment

1) still no name [by crazycajun on June 5, 2008]
of the VERIFIED FACTUALLY INNOCENT INMATE WHO WAS EXECUTED.

how can you say this has happened THOUSANDS OF TIMES when you can't even name ONE?

i'll tell you how... you are a lying liberal.

now, that name please.


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2) amazing how you can even run a business [by Anonymous Citizen on June 5, 2008]
when you spend so much time on this site bashing everyone who differs in opinion than you. You must think you are God and you are right about everything. What you rant on about has nothing to do with this bill. I think you just want to see your name in print.
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3) what name would that [by Anonymous Citizen on June 5, 2008]
be?

are you somehow confusing me with CRAZYCAJUN?

i'm honored, but i'm not him.

i run my business quite well from this computer, and i supervise more people in more countries than you do.

i make more in a day then you make in a year.

i do not support the taking of rights.

you do.

why?


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4) Trust Me [by Anonymous Citizen on June 5, 2008]
When I'm in my business that i bought and I pay taxes to support whiny little libs like you I am the one who makes the rules. If you don't like it then you are free to go somewhere else. What you are not free to do is tell me how to run my business. Like I said, I have lots of folks that enjoy my establishment and don't really chase after the whiny control freak portion of society.
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5) WHO"S WRONG [by Anonymous Citizen on February 19, 2008]
I think it's crazy how are law system works. I think some of these laws sholud be changed and changed quickly.I think it's ridiculous how you have drug dealers (who are wrong for what they are doing) if they get caught the can serve alot of time in prison but what about the people with the addiction. HELLO PEOPLE these are the people who are robbing and killing to get the money for the drugs. These are the idiots that are hurting are children. I think the police should round up all the crack heads and do something with them 1st and by doing this they'll elimnate the drug dealers.Instead of being so gun-hoe on finding the drug dealers, find the people with the addiction first. They are the one's hurting others as well as themselves.
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6) The Fact Is [by Anonymous Citizen on February 5, 2008]

Bringing back good time to the system will save Michigan taxpayers $100 million by helping reduce the prison population with no negative effect on public safety.

As said before, that is 100 million and one good reasons to support this legislation, if you are a Michigan taxpayer who wants responsible, conservative government.

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7) you still refuse to [by Anonymous Citizen on February 5, 2008]
see the recidivism issue. calculate THAT negative impact, and get back with me.

till then, you are living in a fantasy world.
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8) Recidivism [by Anonymous Citizen on February 5, 2008]

Remember this, when you play your Chicken Little game with recidivism: The people who would become eligible for good time credits will be getting out of prison anyway. Their release date will just come later.

All you are doing by holding well behaved prisoners longer is deferring the recidivism risk; you are neither eliminating nor reducing it.

The cost to Michigan taxpayers is upwards of $32,000 a year -- about $2,700 a month -- for each well-behaved inmate held in confinement.

The simple fact is,the only way to reduce Michigan's burdensome prison expenditures is to reduce the number of prisoners held in confinement.

Michigan taxpayers can be spared $100 million in prisoner holding costs without incurring any negative effect of public safety by restoring good time credits. That is the very definition of conservative, responsible government.

As noted often before, that is 100 million and one very good reasons to support passage of this bill.


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9) sierra [by Anonymous Citizen on April 3, 2008]
I agree that some prisoners that have served good time should be considersd for release,and save michigan a ton of money. These people could be apart of our socity again,while paying for a teather or whatever it would take to help ease the burden on us taxpayers.
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10) the problem, sierra, [by Anonymous Citizen on April 3, 2008]
is that half of those released through this law will be back in jail with NEW sentences within a year.

another problem is that all tethers do is say where an inmate IS, not what he is doing. it takes 'eyes on the prize' monitoring to do that. which will cost us far more than we save releasing a few inmates.

next, we would have to release FIVE THOUSAND INMATES, of which twenty five hundred will be back in jail before next spring.

g-ma says we should pay a SECOND time to educate them BEFORE we turn them loose. not a cheap option seeing as since we have already spent BILLIONS to educate them the first time, which they didn't pay attention to.

now, by simply cutting the amount that the state CHARGES ITSELF for housing inmates, we can save A BILLION DOLLARS. the most this bill can save is about twenty nine million. which would you rather?

g-ma says the twenty nine million is just fine as long as her loved one is released.

personally, i'd rather save the billion dollars, but that's just me.
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11) sierra [by Anonymous Citizen on April 3, 2008]
I agree with you, I was trying to see all angles of the conversation, I'm not looking for a release of anyone, only a few cases should even be concidered. There is a lot of other issues in Michigan that sure could use a once over as well. There are issues with grants, I could go on and on about that issue. We sure are NOT getting our moneys worth with our current gov.
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12) sierra, you can [by uber-liberal on April 3, 2008]
look only as far as the voting booth to find the root of most of those problems.

wasteful government is run by wasteful politicians.

politicians who spend their time taking on jobs OTHER than the proper role of government.

wasting their time trying to run people's lives instead of working to run their particular part of the state.

in other words, the left wing has installed a bunch of NANNIES who want to run our lives instead of efficiently spending our taxes on necessary services.


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13) so, how many years [by Anonymous Citizen on February 5, 2008]
is it going to take for any appreciable 'good time' to accumulate?

three? five? ten? at 36,000 large a year, that doesn't sound like much savings to me...
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14) there is a difference [by Anonymous Citizen on February 5, 2008]
between 'THE SKY IS FALLING' and department of justice statistics.

these statistics have been collected since before prohibition.

they have been verified by several other state agencies, and three independent universities.

they are FACTUAL, and the recidivism rate is going up. in fact, it's OVER FIFTY PERCENT NOW.

that means that HALF of your precious inmates are going to commit some crime within a year. that is a fact. you can ignore it, but it's going to happen. no public official wants to be responsible for any added crime in his home area. you can keep on repeating 'with no negative impact' until you are blue in the face, but the facts and figures prove you wrong every time.

as for 'delaying' their release, so be it. they cannot harm anyone but other criminals and guards in jail. outside, they can harm anyone they choose. and the facts are that within a year they WILL HARM SOMEONE.

maybe YOU are nieve enough to believe that they won't, but the rest of the world isn't.

now, as for your contention that 'only the good will benefit' from this bill, i hope you enjoy your fantasy. there ARE no good people in jail. that's why they are there.

remember, truth in sentencing was enacted by a majority of the people, and a majority of the people think it's working to REDUCE CRIME.

you have a lot of convincing to do if you want to change that majority's mind. vague promises and repetition won't do it. facts and figures MIGHT.

so far, you haven't come up with any.

good luck on that.
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15) In or out [by pinehollow on February 9, 2008]
The ones that are locked up are still locked up after how many years. and there are still crimes going on so who is it that is doing it?
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16) if statistics prove anything [by Anonymous Citizen on February 9, 2008]
it's the ones recently released.

stats show that 13% of the population commit 98.998% of all crimes.

amazingly, that's ALMOST as many people as have been imprisoned in this state at one time or another.


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17) Face It [by Anonymous Citizen on February 5, 2008]

The whole argument about recidivism is desperate fear-mongering that has no basis in respect to this discussion.

Prisoners eligible for good time would be getting out of the slam one day, anyway. Keeping them cooped up does not lower the risk of recidivism. It only defers it a while. Well behaved prisoners are relatively lower risk, virtually by definition. They have demonstrated they can keep their noses clean, even under difficult circumstances.

The only effective way to cut the outrageous cost of operating Michigan's prison system is to reduce the number of inmates held in confinement. That is responsible, conservative management of public resources and obligations by the government.

Reinstating good time in Michigan prisons would save the state's taxpayers $100 million with no negative effect on public safety.

As stated before, repeatedly (because it is the truth) that is 100 million and one good reasons to pass this bill.


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18) face it [by pinehollow on February 9, 2008]
Lets quit talking and get some of these guys back on the streets supporting themselves.
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19) were they [by Anonymous Citizen on February 9, 2008]
supporting themselves when they went in?

no.

they were deciding to commit crimes so they WOULDN'T have to work.

convince me that they are going to be productive members of society...

go ahead and try...
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20) Not everyone who goes to prison [by Anonymous Citizen on February 9, 2008]
didn't work before they went to prison. There are many who had good paying jobs and will have those jobs when they get back out. How can you say that everyone committed a crime and got sent to prison because they weren't working? That's not why some of them are in prison.
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21) no, some of them got [by Anonymous Citizen on February 10, 2008]
sent to prison because they CHOSE to rob, or they CHOSE to steal, or the CHOSE to maim, or they CHOSE to deal drugs, or they CHOSE to kill.

NONE of them were MISTAKES.

ALL of them were CHOICES.

they chose badly.

now you expect us to feel bad for them.

bleed on, oh leaky liberal heart, bleed on...
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22) oh, and of course... [by Anonymous Citizen on February 9, 2008]
YOUR loved one was a model citizen who was simply railroaded...

let's just release him right now so he doesn't have to spend another night in the arms of his cellmate.
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23) I'm not saying he wasn't wrong [by Anonymous Citizen on February 11, 2008]
to go to prison. Yes, he got drunk and drove a vehicle and thank god he didn't kill or injure anyone else. That is why he is sitting in prison. And no he's not in the arms of his bunkie. Wow, you are sure an angry, uninformed person. I feel sorry for you!
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24) and i feel sorry for you... [by uber-liberal on February 11, 2008]
you get to serve out his sentence with him.

you get to look your friends and family in the eye every day.

you get to explain why he's in jail OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER.

you get to defend him even though he REALLY DOESN'T DESERVE IT.

you get to wonder whether or not he's going to do it again.

you get to look HIM in the eye and wonder why he decided to do it in the first place.

you get to decide whether or not you get to trust him again, ever.

you get to decided whether or not this man is the RIGHT man to be the father of your children.

you don't have to make these decisions ONCE, you have to make them EACH AND EVERY DAY, even after his release.

my cousin went to jail for dealing drugs out of his mother's house.

she died homeless because the police 'confiscated' her house, as a VERY LARGE amount of drugs were found there when he was arrested. he even hid drugs behind the paneling in her bedroom.

my aunt died at my dinner table after visiting him. she had a stroke.

ask ME if i'm bitter.

one of the "aggravating circumstances" at his trial was the nine year old who lived next door to my aunt's house. that scum gave that little girl drugs in exchange for sexual favors.

the little girl died too. it seems my cousin thought it was a good idea to cut his stash with drain-o.

i hold him personally responsible for two deaths. the sentence he got wasn't nearly long enough, and the prison he sits in is NOT NEARLY bad enough. he should be sent to devil's island to rot for the rest of his life.

or strung up by his neck till he's dead.

THAT'S what he truly deserves. now, tell me how HE deserves the second chance this bill will give him, as HE is eligible for good time too.
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25) you see him [by Anonymous Citizen on February 11, 2008]
how many hours a day?

other than what he tells you, you don't know anything.

i'm sure he told you he wasn't drunk either.

i'm not bitter, i'm just tired of you giving every convict every concievable break. they are getting exactly what they deserve, no more, no less.

now, if you want to give him a second chance to go out and kill somebody, be my guest.

that's YOUR decision, not mine. i'm not loaning him MY car keys, ever.
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26) He doesn't want your car keys [by Anonymous Citizen on February 11, 2008]
Yes, he tells me everything and yes he admits he was drunk and he admits he's an alcoholic and he admits he made many mistakes and he admits he needs help to overcome his addiction. But I don't need your empathy, pity or anything. We are in this together and doing just fine without your negative opinions.
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27) there's that MISTAKE [by Anonymous Citizen on February 12, 2008]
word again.

he didn't make ANY MISTAKES.

each and every time he drove drunk, and there WAS more than one time, it was HIS DECISION to drive drunk.

how long has he been an alcoholic? multiply that times the number of days in the year. you have a rough idea of how often he drove drunk.

when you think about it, it's amazing that no one was killed or injured.

by your own admission, your husband is a menace to society, and should be removed from the streets for as long as possible. if he should ever get out, he should face EVEN LONGER jail time if he ever drinks and drives again.

doing it again is CHOOSING to disregard every human life he comes close enough to.

how many times was he caught driving drunk? the first two are usually tickets and court appearances. it's not like they give out jail time right off the bat unless of course, someone was injured or killed.
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28) no, he doesn't want [by uber-liberal on February 11, 2008]
my car keys, but he WILL want yours.

or he will want his own car keys back.

are you going to keep them from him?

of course not.

are you going to be able to stop him from drinking?

of course not.

are you going to be able to stop him when he gets drunk and drives again?

of course not.


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29) I'm done [by Anonymous Citizen on February 11, 2008]
trying to justify him to you. You don't know him and you are wrong.
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30) are you DONE [by Anonymous Citizen on February 12, 2008]
trying to justify him because you CAN'T?


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31) you haven't even [by uber-liberal on February 12, 2008]
tried to justify him to me.

you can't justify what he has done, or how he has done it. there is no justification for committing a STUPID crime, especially one as dangerous as drinking and driving.

all you can do is hope that when he get's out he doesn't somehow get the idea that it's a good thing to do it again.

in my case, if i should ever live long enough to see my cousin get out of jail, i think i'll have to be waiting for him at the gate.



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32) okay... [by Anonymous Citizen on February 9, 2008]
over half are going to support themselves by stealing from you. or stealing your car, or dealing drugs to your kids, or murdering you or YOUR loved ones.

which ones do you suggest we release first?

i know... your loved one first, then the non-violent ones, THEN the murderers.
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33) LET'S REALLY [by Anonymous Citizen on February 5, 2008]
FACE IT...

a well intentioned, but nonetheless misguided poster says...

"The whole argument about recidivism is desperate fear-mongering that has no basis in respect to this discussion.

[oh, doesn't it? why do we have truth in sentencing?

because we have people in fear of their lives and property from the very people you want to release.

why DON'T we have good time now?

because the prisoners in at the time ABUSED IT.

why do parole boards 'FLOP' inmates?

because they DO NOT LIVE UP TO THEIR PAROLE AGREEMENTS. THOSE ON THE OUTSIDE ARE SCREWING IT UP FOR THOSE ON THE INSIDE. parole boards have to face the public every day. any crime committed by a parolee is the direct responsibility of that parole board. you do the math.]


Prisoners eligible for good time would be getting out of the slam one day, anyway. Keeping them cooped up does not lower the risk of recidivism. It only defers it a while.

[truth in sentencing only defers crime for a while too, but it defers it for as long as the criminal is in prison.]

Well behaved prisoners [A TRUE OXYMORON!!!] are relatively lower risk, virtually by definition.

[you didn't say 'A RELATIVELY LOWER RISK OF NEGATIVE IMPACT'. you said 'NO NEGATIVE IMPACT'.]

They have demonstrated they can keep their noses clean, even under difficult circumstances.

[no, they have demonstrated that they can get drugs in jail, murder other prisoners, kill guards, and generally keep their gangs and illicit businesses going from behind bars.]

The only effective way to cut the outrageous cost of operating Michigan's prison system is to reduce the number of inmates held in confinement.

[no, the only REALLY EFFECTIVE WAY to cut the outrageous cost of operating michigan's prison system is to CUT THE FEES WE CHARGE OURSELVES BY AT LEAST HALF, MAYBE MORE. but you refuse to even CONSIDER that option.]

That is responsible, conservative management of public resources and obligations by the government.

[how is releasing KNOWN CRIMINALS onto the streets in any way being RESPONSIBLE, or upholding the obligations placed upon government by the people of michigan? their FIRST obligation is to PROTECT THE CITIZENS FROM THE CRIMINALS.]


Reinstating good time in Michigan prisons would save the state's taxpayers $100 million with no negative effect on public safety.

[repeating that lie will not make it true, despite what Adolph Hitler said.]

As stated before, repeatedly (because it is the truth) that is 100 million and one good reasons to pass this bill.

[as stated before, repeatedly (because if you repeat a lie often enough, people will start to believe it)... you get my point.]


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34) if prisoners were [by Anonymous Citizen on February 5, 2008]
well behaved, they WOULDN'T BE PRISONERS.

they are, by definition, NOT WELL BEHAVED.

you speak of them as you would a group of rowdy fifth graders kept after school in detention.

how big of a recidivism risk is ACCEPTABLE TO YOU?


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35) once again, you ignore [by Anonymous Citizen on February 5, 2008]
the obvious.

you ignore the fact that the STATE sets the per inmate per day fee. the STATE can LOWER THAT FEE.

it's not impossible, as several other states have done it successfully in the recent past.

you ignore the fact that ONE OUT OF TWO inmates WILL RE-OFFEND within a year. you speak of 'good inmates'. in my experience, their ain't no such critter.

only about TWO PERCENT don't get back into trouble within five years. that's 98% WHO WILL.

that's as close to a certainty as you can get.

i don't think you are going to find a politician worthy of re-election who will back this bill with anything other than lip service. THEN you will STILL have to get past the crooked parole board.




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36) so, you finally admit that [by Anonymous Citizen on February 5, 2008]
by INCREASING the number of released inmates, you INCREASE the risk of recidivism.

FINALLY you see the light.

now, explain how you came to believe that releasing extra inmates early will not INCREASE CRIME, which is a NEGATIVE IMPACT by anybody's definition but yours.

please have the facts and figures to back up your fantasy.



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37) Reinstating Good Time [by Anonymous Citizen on February 4, 2008]

Would save Michigan taxpayers $100 million by reducing the confined prisoner count, without any negative effect on p;ublic safety.

That is 100 million and one good reasons to support this bill.


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38) okay... [by Anonymous Citizen on February 5, 2008]
you see it as a good reason. i see it as a threat.

over half of those released will re-offend within a year. they would not be able to re-offend if they were still incarcerated.

i see recidivism (a proven fact, unlike your figures) as a real problem that you don't seem to want to address.

not only that, it will be YEARS before any one of these inmates accrues enough time to get out early.

so it won't save us ANY money for at least three years. why bother??

let's see. half of your releases will be back, increasing the incarcerated inmate count, and no savings for three years at least.

that's TWO factually good reasons to NOT support this bill.

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39) PRISONER GOOD TIME [by suziesunshinesuzieq on February 4, 2008]
WHY HASN"T THIS BILL BEEN MADE INTO LAW YET IT HAS BEEN SINCE 2005 WHAT IA THE HOLDUP

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40) suzie... the question [by Anonymous Citizen on February 4, 2008]
is...

why SHOULD this bill be made into law?

if you can answer that, your bill has a MUCH better chance than it does now.

so far, supporters have been long on emotion and short on facts.

break it down for us why we SHOULD pass this bill into law.


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41) medical malpractice #2 [by Anonymous Citizen on December 1, 2007]
I forgot to mention my husband has never been arrested before , never did any thing illegal in his life until this one instance. No drug, or alcohol abuse either. Worked hard all his life and paid taxes not a bum, and supported his family, no aide.
GK
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42) To everyone [by Anonymous Citizen on December 13, 2007]
Dear Friends:

Like many of you, I've been keeping a close watch, once again on Lansing and the service tax mess, the options and the people in Lansing working the deal. Keep in mind that throughout the entire sad debate, the Democrats in charge had many an opportunity to make Michigan competitive and retain jobs. They didn't and we will continue to pay a severe price for their mistakes.

At the start of this year, the Governor proposed massive hikes in state spending. While the professional politicians spun the mainstream media that by reducing her ill-advised increases they were reducing the size of government, exactly the opposite was happening. Zero net cuts in Lansing and more continual increases in state spending ('02/'03 - $38.9B, '03/'04 - $38.5B, '04/'05 - $39.2B, '05/06 - $40.2B , '06/'07 - $41.7B, '07/'08 - $42.7B), resulting in a fat tax hike, including a personal income tax increase and now a major increase in business taxes too. The Democrats were even successful in getting a few misguided Republicans to go along with them on the hike in state spending and increased taxes, and so it became law.

As our single-state recession drags along, made worse by Lansing's mistakes, Michigan's families continue to suffer. As their home values go down, average salaries for state employees go up. As private sector jobs go away, public sector jobs get more secure. This is wrong!

Looking at this mess, it's plain and simple - our state government is broken. Things are so bad, the normal political clichés like "change" or "reform" don't mean anything any more. Michigan's government needs an overhaul.

One solution I think we need to seriously consider is a part-time legislature, coupled with real lobbying and ethical changes. Now this is truly out-of-the-box, but making government focus on problems, solving them and going home to live with the results would stand in stark contrast to our current reality of decision, change, decision, change, that's driving everyone crazy…and driving our jobs away, too! The status quo special interests will moan and try to come up with excuses as to why it won't work but it clearly does elsewhere. In fact, only 11 states have full-time legislatures. Michigan needs to park the current model at the curb and go pick up a new, proven performer.

But this needs to be just a start.

What ideas do you think will work? Let me know. Let's get all the good ideas we can, 'cause we can't count on them coming out of Lansing.

Until 2008,


Dick

PS: This will be my last message of 2007, so I would like to reflect for a moment on this Holiday Season. The most important reflection being that despite all of the challenges we face here in Michigan, this is still a season of thankfulness, of giving and of hope. Hope is not lost in our world today and there is no reason to give up hope here in Michigan.

To all our Christian friends, we wish you a Merry Christmas. To all our Jewish friends, we wish you a Happy Hanukkah. To all our Muslim friends, we wish you a successful Eid Al-Adha (The Festival honoring Abraham's sacrifice to Allah.) To all our friends that celebrate this season in different ways, we wish you the time for reflection. Betsy and I wish you and all your loved ones peace and prosperity in the New Year.
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43) medical malpractice [by Anonymous Citizen on December 1, 2007]
I have a husband in prison who will most likey not be released alive. He is a severe diabetic, with high blood pressure. He takes insulin shots daily but is NOT ALLOWED to test his blood nor does the nurse do this. How can you know how much insulin to give any patient without testing his blood. He has already had two or more diabetic strokes and can no longer think, speak or write clearly. He still has seven more years left, and this is inhumane and an unconsionable act of cruelty on behalf of the medical staff, the govenors office and the state of Arkansas to allow such practices to continue to fall on deaf ears.
Think about it , it just might be one of you guys in there and I hope they give you the same lack of medical treatment they are giving my husband.
Glenda Kinghorn
Fort Smith ar
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44) so, glenda... [by Anonymous Citizen on December 1, 2007]
how will michigan passing 'good time' help you out in arkansas?
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45) Anoymous [by Anonymous Citizen on November 26, 2007]
Yes I have a son in prision. I have learned much about drug addiction. I have learned the police and the prision staff do as much illegal as the ones in prision but in America their is no stability of justice. One person gets away with crime the others dosent or half of the same sentance. Our country locks up drug addicts, the mentally ill they cant get medical help with out money our country is ugly for the poor. Once they are in the system even as a minor the judges still illegaly hold a juvinal record against them. They then are not able to get a job if a fellony is commited. No job no hope in the usa they are in poverty created by the failed system. Once in the system the Crim is created from the failed system of failure crime hate abuse neglect.The guards let (yes set it up)people beatup certian prisioners. Steal the prisioners property. Let the rapists queer lesbians,gay continue the crime in prisions is so over active in the prisions. Our country looks the other way and just see with their head up their butts they dont even see or want to know the truths.I us to teach sunday school I Love the Lord! Our systm is not fair is is unjust and I would rather trust the majourty of the prisioners than our illegal leagal system it is run with no morals it is as corrucpt or more corrupt than the majorty of those sent to prision. I will have no sucess with the way the system is. It is creating more hate, crime, and discust for the law that changes with unfairness and judges moods.We need rebitilation and jobs affordable housing for all. Keep teaching more crime yes the younger you get the the more crime they are taught through youre system and have less hope they way you run things. Rebiltatiate with no jails or prisions Except Murder 1. Quit teaching crime. It is comming back to haunt you and the rest of our communitys. Take that prission money put it back in for rehabs and jobs. Its not working dont you get it?
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46) i agree [by Anonymous Citizen on January 20, 2008]
It is unfortunate that money is the ruling in American society. The more of it you have the greater your advantages will be in our society, such as better medical care and much more adequate representation in cases of criminal proceedings. In addition, it is frustrating to read stories where a certain individual was given a less stringent sentence for a same or similar conviction.
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47) Remove the mole [by Anonymous Citizen on October 5, 2007]

RECALL GRANHOLM !
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48) You haven't seen anything yet---- [by Anonymous Citizen on October 1, 2007]
October 1, 2007 Granholm raises everyones taxes- and "you haven't seen anything yet"!
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49) TAX HIKE [by Anonymous Citizen on October 5, 2007]
67 Republicans voted NO
6 Republicans voted YES

69 Democrats voted YES
6 Democrats voted NO

TOLD YOU SO.... RECALL ANYONE?????
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51) 70 x 7 [by Anonymous Citizen on July 31, 2007]
It is easy to see that you are an intelligent person, therefore you will understand when I say that your response is sanctimonious and righteous---using the worst definition of the word. I think Jesus said some things about "mercy" and "forgiveness" and I hope you will reconsider your hardline thinking...for your sake, as well as for the many people in Michigan who are incarcerated because of our "zero tolerance", "one size fits all", "tough on crime" thinking.
Of course there are prisoners in the Michigan system who should not be released before they have served all their time, maybe they should actually do more time, but many of the men and women who are incarcerated in Michigan today are people who have made bad decisions because of their addiction to alcohol or other drugs. Would you say that all those people should be punished to the full extent of the law? Is it possible a court mandated intensive rehabilitation/substance abuse program would be more effective in protecting the good people of Michigan from these "horrible" people?
Do you drink? Do you have friends or family members who do? Do you realize they are at risk of going to prison just because of the bad choices they make while "under the influence"?
Yes, I do have a "loved one" in prison. Yes, I do want him home. Is there something wrong with that? My son is not a threat to society. Trust me, he has learned his lesson, he has been in AA all along, he took Anger Management classes (which is not an issue for him) and Thank God, he has had the first level of substance abuse classes, He has sent money every month to MADD, per the request of his victim's family, he is taking correspondence courses (at our expense, don't worry). He is at risk every day. He is losing his young adult life and he is doing every thing he can to be able to come home at the earliest possible date. Again I ask, is there something wrong with that?
The judge said she was giving him his sentence for punishment, rehabilitation, and deterrence, so that others will not do the same as he did. He is being punished. he has to seek out and wait for the rehabilitation, and there are a few people who have learned from his experience--but more who have not. He is deeply sorry for what happened, and if he could undo it he most certainly would... But none of these things mean anything to you because apparently you have never needed mercy.
Although I'm upset at your thoughtless response to the previous writer...really, is there something wrong with someone continuing to love someone in spite of their mistakes...I can't help but think of the Bible one more time, judge not that ye shall not be judged.
I believe that our prison system should function as a way of keeping the rest of us safe, not as an unending "gotcha" over people who may have already ruined their own lives.
I hope and pray that you never have to experience the "other side" of this coin, but you never know..."karma" and God work in mysterious ways...
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52) why is it that [by Anonymous Citizen on July 31, 2007]
God and Jesus always sneak into these conversations? does Jesus live in the prison? i ask this because thousands of inmates daily "find Jesus" only to lose him within minutes of being released.

you speak of mercy. where was the MERCY when your loved one did what he did? did he not have enough mercy to NOT visit what he did upon those innocent victims? NO. why should we have any?

and as for forgiveness. there are SOME things even GOD AND JESUS WILL NOT FORGIVE.

the Lord's prayer says "forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us."

that says that NOT ALL TRESPASSES SHOULD BE FORGIVEN.

by the way, crime is a sin. and Jesus and God have a 'ZERO TOLERANCE' for sin.

so, when your loved one starts thinking about mercy and forgiveness, and learns to control his own addiction, at least enough to STOP HURTING OTHER PEOPLE WITH IT, then we will start OUR forgiving process. not until.

you and those like you as everyone else to change, to forgive without cause, to show mercy without reason, to unconditionally forgive. yet you cannot bring yourself to ask that the sinner quit sinning.

i think that when this happens, and the sinner QUITS SINNING, that forgiveness and mercy will be a lot easier to come by.
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53) well i'm quite...... [by Anonymous Citizen on July 31, 2007]
certain that you sin, or have sin, or will sin, and even though yours may not be as drastic as some inmates, you sin nonetheless. How do you know your sins have not hurt others, ever talked about anyone? Alot of these inmates are penitent, remorseful, ashamed of the crime and what it did to not only their own families but victims as well. But how would you know if they are sorry? You wouldn't so it is ridiculous for you or anyone else who doesn't see them on a regular basis to know. The counselors do see them regularly, and so do the loved ones who despite being antagonized by all the time do gooders such as yourself, have chosen to try and help their loved one to get back on the right road. For some people you see, it takes ending up in a place they know they don't want to be to see where they NEED to be. I fully understand parts of your obvious skepticism, however, please don't think for a second that you know what sins will be forgiven for that will be a conversation between the inmate and God himself, you will not be included i'm sure unless you have major pull. Is Jesus in prison? Fabulous question, but you failed at the answer. Jesus is ANYWHERE where a person asks Him to be, inside heart, mind, and body. Not every inmate finds HIM and disguards him when they hit the door, just like not every average joe lives during the week like they might in their church on Sunday. People sin, people make bad choices but people can also change.
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54) so, why don't [by Anonymous Citizen on August 1, 2007]
they? they 'find Jesus' in jail, and lose him out on the streets. it never fails.

this cycle repeats itself constantly.

if they are so penitent, why do over 40% of them, almost 50% now, re-offend?

if they are so penitent, they should have no problem doing their alloted time, to show their penitence.

prison is about being sorry for a very long time. stop trying to shorten that time.
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55) Cruel and unusual punishment? [by Anonymous Citizen on January 20, 2008]
What about individuals that are serving long sentences for non-violent crime. Is this just? I think it tiptoes on the line of cruel and unusual punishment! Our judicial system is learning toward a deterrence model of justice, rather then sanctioning individuals for the actual crime committed.
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56) let's look at this... [by Anonymous Citizen on January 21, 2008]
a poster wrote...

"What about individuals that are serving long sentences for non-violent crime.

[what about them? every one of them went before a judge and a jury. THEY found them guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. THEY sentenced them according to the law. THEY dispensed justice.]

Is this just?

[yes, as a matter of fact it is.]

I think it tiptoes on the line of cruel and unusual punishment!

[no it doesn't. what IS cruel and unusual punishment is having you want to release those criminals BACK on the very society they hurt by committing their crimes to commit crimes again.]

Our judicial system is learning toward a deterrence model of justice, rather then sanctioning individuals for the actual crime committed.

[do you mean 'LEANING'? it leans toward a deterrence model of justice because the 'sanctioning model' just wasn't working. the criminals just weren't paying attention to the 'sanctions'.]

now, most, if not all of the inmates in jail have been 'sanctioned' before at least once. 'sanctions' just don't work. they haven't DETERRED the inmate from committing their crimes.

one of the most LIBERALLY PROGRESSIVE states in the union has the 'three strikes and you are out' law. three felonies, violent or not, get you in prison for the rest of your life.

after those three strikes, even if they are minor, non-violent felonies, you have no 'good time', no pardon, no parole. you are cast out from society for ever. you have proven yourself INCORRIGIBLE, NON-REHABILITATIVE, UNWILLING AND UNABLE TO CONFORM TO THE NORMS OF SOCIETY.

but YOU would have every inmate be released early.
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57) first you whine... [by Anonymous Citizen on January 21, 2008]
about your loved ones and those like them, being treated as a group, being 'abused', now you whine about them being treated as individuals having their individual crimes looked at in detail before they get released.

make up your mind.

you just want them treated like free people.

they gave up those freedoms when they made the decision to commit their crimes.

you don't care HOW they get treated, as long as they are released early.
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58) Wake up [by Anonymous Citizen on August 6, 2007]
Offenders reoffend because of people like you. You think just because they made 1 mistake they should pay forever. It didn't take Jesus Forever to create you or forgive you for your sins, now did it. You are not God so mabe you need to practice what you preach. We will all get what we diserve on judgement day. I now people who have went in and stayed in and were very sorry from the day they got there. And they weren't just sorry because they got caught, they were sorry because they hurt prople and ruined their famlies lives also. So I think you need to go through the process in order to understand that it doesn't take forever to be sorry OR to be forgave. Some people have hearts. Offenders would do much better when they got out, if they had familiy that would help them and give them support. It helps weather you think so or not. Also many people find god and still sin and it happens more than you think. God alone can't save you. You have to save yourself. And for the people who are in prison and are trying to save theirselves, then I say yes give them good time. And I think you need to go to chruch a little more. Because the Bible will tell you that for those who can't forgive shall not walk with him. Read on it's there.
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59) no, it took him [by Anonymous Citizen on August 6, 2007]
about three hours on a cross. he came back three days later, took his mother with him into heaven, and hasn't been seen since.
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60) one more thing..... [by Anonymous Citizen on August 1, 2007]
to be released at the minimum is doing their sentence because that is the time the judge set for their earliest release, so all the crap you talk about doing your time, 40% of inmates in michigan's prisons have legally and technically DONE IT. Also when you are sorry you work hard to change your behavior, and you do what is asked of you when it is asked, and thats what good time credits would acknowledge.
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61) do you want to know why some... [by Anonymous Citizen on August 1, 2007]
i'm not saying all, but some reoffend? Because when they come out whether they are qualified enough or not places will not hire them due to the felony on their record. Now don't get me wrong some, who's families help them can get by on the penny anny jobs that will actually hire them with a record, but if not they will be doomed to possibly reoffend. Another reason for the reoffender rate being so high is that little things can violate you and send you back. Child support for instance, not saying it shouldn't be paid, but if you cannot find a job how are you suppose to pay it, and if you are working a penny anny job that barely pays for a roof, how are you suppose to pay it? Now you will say that they should have thought of that before but then in the blink of an eye you talk about the reoffender rate and why it is so high. The truth of the matter is that there are some who are rotten apples i'll give you that, however there are also those who want to become a contributing member of the community only to find that they have no means to support themselves. You want to assume that every person who reoffends does so just because they like committing crimes, you live with your head in the sand with absolutely no clue as to what goes on out here, maybe you need to find out before you keep going in circles about the reoffender rate.
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62) Yes they sould [by Anonymous Citizen on July 29, 2007]
I have a loving husband that just went prision for 2 to 15 years on July 2nd of 2007. He has 4 sons and I just had our 1st daughter on March 8th of 2007. He has never done anything wrong in his life. But then one mistake and my little girl my never get to see her daddy or know what a fathers love feels like. I just want to say that I will make sure she knows that it was the state of michigan that took her daddy and didn't let him go because of people who are cold hearted and don't know how to forgive.
I will be there 100% percent for my man and will do everything I can to help him get out. For the love of our children.
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63) while i agree with these.... [by Anonymous Citizen on July 30, 2007]
bills, and with the fact that if you love him you should stick in there, i don't agree with your whole post. I have been where you've been but the difference is, is that my husband never used the excuse that it was the states fault. The mistake was his and his alone. He took himself away from his family, the state only imposed a sentence, he made the bad choice. I agree with these bills because i believe people can change i've been a witness to it, but first your loved and you need to realize it wasn't the state it was him. You can't not make the same mistake twice if you never admit that the first time was a mistake. If you are going to advocate for these bills do it because you feel your mate is deserving of it, that he's doing what hes supposed to do, not because it was the state's fault. Like i said i am going through the situation you are we just see things alittle different, and if you are going to speak for these bills it would be best if at least you could realize that fault first lay with your mate for committing a bad act.
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64) good behavior “credits” [by marysunshine on July 28, 2007]
This is only 1 of many points used in a hearing,I don't worry that mass murderers or rapists will get a "free pass" out jail.

A crazy judge in Kent County gave a fellow 21 years instead of 10 -21 months per the guidelines ,because he didn't like the guy, so ,I'm glad people have hope!

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65) they SHOULDN'T [by Anonymous Citizen on July 28, 2007]
have hope. they should have FAITH that if they break the law, the punishment will be swift, and harsh.

hope is for those that DON'T break the law.
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66) hope is for ALL...... [by Anonymous Citizen on July 30, 2007]
who have faith, just because you make a wrong choice does not mean you lose all hope, if one has faith they have hope. Noone is saying there shouldn't be a punishment buddy thats what you are trying to say that we are saying. The truth of the matter is that this is to reward those that are now trying to do what they should have been doing. People make bad choices everyday, but people can also change if given the help and the opportunity to do so, hope is not lost with one poor decision. Hope is lost when cynical people like yourself take office.
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67) no, you are trying to say [by Anonymous Citizen on July 31, 2007]
that there should be LESS punishment.

that, no matter the crime, that the inmate should be let out early.

this goes against the will of the people.

maybe YOU want your loved one back in your arms, but we don't want him out till he's finished his sentence. ALL OF IT.

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68) no, you are trying to [by wills_sassiegirl on September 22, 2007]
my loved one did do wrong and he paying for it now each and every day he is in prison. yes he should pay for his wrongs but yet if he doing good he should get what someone told he get.
it like say on go to your room for a bit you are been bad but you may do it over so i think i keep you there would you tell your kids keep in there room for ever.
not letting know a hug,all the stuff life got to give them.
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69) when are you going to [by Anonymous Citizen on September 22, 2007]
realize that prison is prison, not a 'time out'. a prison term is exactly that, the term of time that you must spend in prison to atone for your crime. society set that term, and you are trying to shorten it.

your motives are purely personal.

please explain what your loved one getting out earlier does for everyone else. and before you say 'it saves money', think of the money we have already spent because your loved one DECIDED to break the law. think of the money that COULD have been saved IF your loved one DECIDED NOT TO BREAK THE LAW.
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70) first of all the minimum is not LESS [by Anonymous Citizen on July 31, 2007]
punishment because it was a term set by a judge NOT YOU. What ever the sentence if you do what is asked of you, have no misconducts, recieve a favorable report from a trained counselor who has worked with you for over a year, and your score for release meets parole criteria THEY SHOULD BE RELEASED. Why are we spending money on those who have been cleared by trained professionals to go, and who have demonstrated that despite a bad choice they can do what is asked of them? 40% of inmates are ELIGIBLE and meet the parole criteria and a trained judge's criteria, they should be released. Maybe you should refocus your efforts to creating job training programs and jobs to help ensure that we lower the reoffender rate. Like it or love it but change is a comin, and its been needed for years.
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71) patrick selepack was [by Anonymous Citizen on July 31, 2007]
'cleared' by a trained professional.

look what happened there.


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72) no actually..... [by Anonymous Citizen on July 31, 2007]
he wasn't. Research people don't just blurt his name and use him as an example if you haven't done your research. Patrick was not at his minimum, he did not see a board, he did not recieve a parole score, he did not do any of the above. He also did not and was not cleared by a COUNSELOR what did happen was that a worker, not counselor, screwed up on paperwork and his name was added to a list for release. He was not screened as have the inmates who are attending sessions with the counselors for their required classes. Nice try on the scare tactic but you fell way short of a comparison by any stretch of the imagination. People please know what you are talking about before you post or else your whole message just gets flushed down the toilet and you end up sounding alittle unintelligent.
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73) i never said he was [by Anonymous Citizen on August 1, 2007]
paroled. i said he was RELEASED.

AND that the person who released him was a 'trained professional'. or at least she was... until she did this.

now, if the parole board had to suffer the same consequences when one of THEIR releases does wrong, then the parole board would be a thing of the past.

now, there are those who are working hard to get the parole board to be held accountable for the crimes their releases commit. that may stop the 40% recidivism rate.

you say that 40% of inmates are above minimum. please show where it says that. where do you get your information? as for reasearch, if you read your research like you read the posts here, no wonder you have problems understanding why the parole board flops inmates.



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74) actually what you said... [by Anonymous Citizen on August 1, 2007]
was that he was cleared, so obviously you don't read well either even when its your own posting. He was not cleared by a counselor is what I said as are those who have completed classes and worked with these COUNSELORS for up to /sometimes more than a year, and that come in front of the board. Holding the board accountable for a reoffender rate will do absolutely nothing, JOBS AND JOB TRAINING MIGHT. All board accountability for inmate reoffense will do is put the state into more deficit. As to where I got the 40% info, check out CAPPS.mi.org and there have also been many studies printed recently in articles in the paper, see when you want to know about an issue you read up and research it. The reason that i don't too much give wieght to your comments and those like it is because you don't try to research before deciding on an issue, and like many others you talk alot but offer little in solutions that A. make sense B. will work C. that are researched D. because one of your main goals on this site is to antagonize and degrade anyone who is opposite your view of things. I respect your opinions, I just don't think you are very well researched or impartial enough on this issue to be open to find a solution to mdoc's problems.
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75) no one said he ever was. [by Anonymous Citizen on August 1, 2007]
YOU said he wasn't. you don't need to be cleared by a councilor to be released from prison. but you DO have to go before the parole board to be paroled.

you don't like the fact that the parole board keeps inmates in prison past their minimums. the PEOPLE don't like that it puts felons on the street before their maximums.

there are MORE of us, and we pay the bills. thus, the parole board listens TO US and NOT to you.

you can get all bent out of shape over it if you want, but it's the truth. there are people who are eligible for promotion, but don't get promoted. there are people out there who are eligible for advanced degrees, but they don't get them. there are people out there who are eligible for raises, but they don't get them.

simply being eligible for them doesn't mean that you have EARNED them. that is what you keep glossing over. obviously the parole board doesn't believe that they have earned it either. neither does the governor. nor do the people.

representatives represent US, not you. if you THINK that reps represent ALL the people, think again. they stop truely representing the people who have to be incarcerated to make sure that society is PROTECTED AGAINST THEM.

yes, they will fight for your rights, OCCASIONALLY, WHEN IT FITS THEIR AGENDA, AND WHEN THEY CAN GET A FEW MORE VOTES FROM IT, but not on a regular basis.

that is also a fact of life. it's why the parole board operates the way it does.

you don't have to like it.
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76) you are wrong. [by Anonymous Citizen on August 2, 2007]
You do have to be cleared by a counselor, especially if your requirements include AOP, or substance abuse counseling. If you are not cleared and finished with classes you get less time in front of the board than those who have been cleared, sometimes they will flop you without even interviewing you. It is not about what you want, with the parole board sir, please don't feel like they are doing this for you, cause they ARE NOT. Furthermore if the prisoner has reached minimum, with no misconduct, a favorable report from the counselor (who yet again has spent many hours and months with the inmate), and has a score making him legally eligible for parole, THAN HE HAS EARNED it, because he/she has done what they were supposed to do. You can say whatever you want about it, but the bottom line is everyday without a solution to the mdoc's problems is more money that could be saved. When it comes down to it your no safer on the streets now, economic hardships in this state have made that A FACT.
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77) but we ARE safer [by Anonymous Citizen on August 2, 2007]
on the streets as long as the inmates are in jail.

that, sir, is also a FACT.

you keep trying your best to RELEASE those inmates. you and the governor. you care not for the crimes they will commit, nor do you care about the people they will commit them on.

all you care about is their release from their PROPER PUNISHMENT.

can't you just FEEL THE LOVE FOR THE CRIMINAL???


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78) no sir thats actually NOT [by Anonymous Citizen on August 2, 2007]
a fact. You are passed by criminals everyday on the street that just haven't been caught yet, and many of them are much more dangerous than many of the nonviolent offenders, and first time offenders, and rehabilitated offenders that are over their minimums and legally eligible for parole. By the way I don't love criminals I just believe that if you have been cleared by a trained counselor, had no misconducts, and fit parole criteria, you should be released instead of occupying beds that more violent criminals could use come Sept. when all the beds are estimated to be full.
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79) if those beds weren't [by Anonymous Citizen on August 2, 2007]
full of recidivists, they wouldn't have to worry about september, now would we?

besides, jennie will just let them all go anyway.


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80) Justice Really Is Blind [by Anonymous Citizen on June 18, 2007]
I'm a recent law graduate, and my husband is a inmate of the Michigan Correctional system; because he chose to defend his family! And the judicial system that I took an oath to uphold has proven to me that Justice is BLIND!!! They gave my husband more time,than they gave the man who blantly murdered my sister!!! I know that this may seem a little vague to you,but it is real to me. If there really is a such thing as justifiable homicide, then my husband should be free!!! Now don't get me wrong, I do believe that if you are with out the proper registration of an concealed weapon, and you choose to committ a crime then you should serve what time is allotted. However, this nonsense of excessive sentencing should be considered unconstitutional are not these issues spoken about in the 8th and 14th amendments,and if so WHY IS IT TAKING SO LONG TO PASS THIS BILL!!!! There is always going to be a deficit of some kind these things can not be erased so someone anybody with any kind of human decency or real zeal for the law lets stop stacking our jails with the innocent and releasing the guilty!!!!!!
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81) okay councelor, let's [by Anonymous Citizen on June 18, 2007]
look at what you are allocuting to.

it seems that a murderer tried to do his best to kill you and your husband.

it also seems that your husband tried to defend himself and his family.

the problem is that he tried to do it with an unregistered, illegally carried weapon.

it would seem that, given my hatred for registration schemes and other violations for the second amendment to the u.s. constitution, i would be in favor of releasing your husband immediately.

i am not.

the arresting officers COULD have exercised discretion in this case, they did not.

the district attorney COULD have exercised discretion in this case, he did not.

the judge COULD have exercised descretion in this case, he did not.

the jury COULD have nullified the prosecution in this case if they would have seen it as purely self defense. they did not.

i am still against the registration of weapons, as registration leads to confiscation.

i am still against laws keeping ALL citizens who are not criminals from legally carrying weapons.

i am ALSO against disobeying the law as it stands.

it doesn't appear to me, based on the few facts allocuted, that this is a case of pure self defense.

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82) I agree [by Anonymous Citizen on June 22, 2007]
First let me say that I really appreciate your comment, and yes I told his ass that because he broke the laws that I swore to uphold; whether in self defense or not he would have to suffer the consequences for carrying a gun without a permit! (That's the law as it is)! But it was not me and him that the man and his friends wanted to kill the wanted to rob us and in order to get what they wanted, they stuck a gun in the face of our son who was a baby at the time!! That is what made my husband snap and that is why he is in prison and I am suffering from a broken heart!!!
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83) ROLYqvktUGzqKG [by Anonymous Citizen on May 26, 2007]
A bird may be known by its flight
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84) I love it. [by devildog2033 on May 25, 2007]
I just love how bold people get when they are posting as "Anonymous Citizen". LOL
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85) i just love how stupid [by Anonymous Citizen on May 27, 2007]
people are when they post without thinking.

thanks for the good laugh, devildog...

i can see we are going to get sore ribs from laughing at your dumb ass for a LONG TIME.

IF you have two brain cells, which i DOUBT SERIOUSLY, then rub them together and THINK.

or is that asking TOO MUCH OF YOU?

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86) What does your post have anything to do with? [by devildog2033 on May 27, 2007]
Just random slurs from another Anonymous Coward.

Name calling: The right wing cry baby tactic when they don't have anything to say that makes sense.
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87) aTxFPvBgRJEAN [by Anonymous Citizen on May 25, 2007]
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush
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88) mWuweFvGhBp [by Anonymous Citizen on May 24, 2007]
a bad job
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89) MDOC [by Anonymous Citizen on May 14, 2007]
The state is in the state its in because the courts don't need any evidence to convict innocent people. Mich is a prison state they taxes our industry right out. Real smart now the courts can railroad the innocent and the rest can complain about the cost of keeping inmates. If the system worked inmates would be released by the way it was written and intended when the judges said 10-30 or what ever the system would release these inmates instead of keeping them years after their intended release date. DUH!!!
The real criminals are the prosecutors and judges that are hell bent on changing laws for their personal recognition. It is ludicrist the way the system has evolved from rehabilitation to destruction of the family that is left to suffer because of the way the morons that run the system think
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90) so, the loved one [by Anonymous Citizen on May 14, 2007]
you have in prison is completely innocent?

railroaded by the system that refuses to revue cases?

hmmm...

i wonder how many of THESE inmates would be exhonorated if THEIR cases were given the kind of scrutiny that a capital punishment case recieves?

but i don't hear a peep out of the leftists about THESE miscarriages of justice, only capital cases IN OTHER STATES.

could it be that the leftist agenda is showing???
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91) Recvap: on recent post [by Anonymous Citizen on April 25, 2007]
If one whould have editing features here-my errors would be corrected as expediately as my typing is.
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96) but we don't. [by Anonymous Citizen on April 25, 2007]
so you have to reach way back and actually THINK about what you write.

proper spelling is not NECESSARY, but it is POLITE.

proper grammar is not MANDATORY, but it is a sign of civilization. of the lack of crudeness that keeps others from taking your opinion seriously.

our forefathers did more through stirring oratory than we have done since with blogs and sloppy writing.
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97) is that why [by Anonymous Citizen on April 25, 2007]
you eschew capitalization in your posts? to demonstrate your great literacy and civility?
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98) now, why do you [by Anonymous Citizen on April 25, 2007]
eschew the release of an inmate from his punishment before the term has expired?

do you not believe that his punishment is JUST?

do you not believe that his punishment is DESERVED?

do you believe that the punishment meted out by the court is somehow, too harsh???

please elucidate.
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99) dear dunce: [by Anonymous Citizen on April 26, 2007]

when you use fancy words like "eschew," you would do well to consult a dictionary, to make sure you use it correctly.

you must be a product of one of those government schools. eh? or maybe home schooling?

either way, you really should refrain from excoriating others for their word choices, spelling and grammar, since you obviously are quite ill-equipped to do so.

i don't necessarily eschew the idea of releasing convicts from prison when they have served their minimum sentence but before their maximum term is up.

in fact, i do quite the opposite in some cases , and advocate passage of legislation like this.

i support this legislation in principle. i think prisoners should be able to earn credit toward their earlier release, based on their good behavior while incarcerated.

this is a way of dealing with people -- human beings -- as individuals, rather than operating under the misguided assumption that all are exactly alike.


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100) they were [by Anonymous Citizen on April 26, 2007]
treated like individuals AT TRIAL.

a judge gave them a sentence, it should be carried out.

your opinion is INTERESTING, yet not the opinion of this poster, or the majority.

your opinion is also a very PERSONAL one, as you obviously have a vested interest in having a loved one released early from jail.

now, as for people treating people like HUMAN BEINGS, when inmates quit treating people like sources of money, or entertainment, and START treating them like people, then, and ONLY then will i give a flying rats ass about treating them as human beings.

i DON'T HAVE to forgive anyone for anything.

i DON'T HAVE to agree with you about releasing inmates early.

i DON'T think that giving inmates PRESENTS for acting the way they SHOULD act is a good idea either.

YOU obviously think that they are SO jaded and ignorant, that it is ONLY BY childish reinforcement schemes like this that they will BEHAVE AT ALL.

so much for treating inmates like individuals.

when are you going to admit that it doesn't work?

when are you going to admit that rehabilitation is not the goal of prison, if it were,they would spend their days in classrooms,studying the classics, and the basics of education.

instead, it's to allow them to reflect and repent.

that repentence is for a specified period of time.

YOU wish to cut it short.

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101) Hold your tongue [by Anonymous Citizen on July 20, 2007]
You do not speak for me and certainly not the majority.
With your qualifications, you should be able to get a job reading minds.
Glad to know that there is some perfection in the world somewhere.
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102) good to know your so perfect [by Anonymous Citizen on July 10, 2007]
apparently you have never made a mistake in your life? i guess you think you are perfect in every thing in life. well what goes around comes back around. some day you may need forgiveness and it won't come your way!
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103) what? God will [by Anonymous Citizen on July 10, 2007]
forgive YOUR LOVED ONE for violating one of his commandments, but he will not forgive ME for expecting your loved one NOT to violate one of God's commandments?

no one is perfect, least of all your loved one.

but God doesn't expect us to be PERFECT, he expects us to NOT DO EVIL.

he expects us to NOT DO BAD THINGS TO EACH OTHER, OR TO OURSELVES.

he's got that 'thou shalt not steal' thing going, and he doesn't like it when someone steals from someone else.

he thinks, since he made us in his image, that it's a bad idea to put drugs into your body.

and he really doesn't like it when you PLAY GOD and kill people before HE thinks it's time for them to die.

he gets so hacked off, that he let's the people who love your victim put YOU to death. (it's an EYE FOR AN EYE thing, the liberals out there wouldn't understand.)


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104) careful with those big [by Anonymous Citizen on April 25, 2007]
words there, missy. the troll will think we're talking about him.

now, you were SO busy looking up the proper spelling of eschew, that you forgot to be liberal there for a few seconds.
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105) i eschew [by Anonymous Citizen on April 25, 2007]
capitalization to emphasize key words and sentences, to draw your attention to them, and to force you to ruminate on the meaning of the capitalized words therein.


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106) expediately??? [by Anonymous Citizen on April 25, 2007]
do you mean expeditiously?


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107) Another Victim [by Anonymous Citizen on April 26, 2007]
of the teachers unions.....
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108) Correspondence to Incarcerated Individuals [by Anonymous Citizen on April 25, 2007]
Upon reading the statement that you would never write to a relative in a prison is heart breaking! Life just goes on and people take it for granted without realizing that non-violent offenders on the inside need our daily input to retain their sanity amongst dangerous individulas they meet on the inside! The3ir days are long and seem endless-they may lose hope or their true spirit and it is our duty to be layal to our relatives no matter what, forgiveness is a good starting point! My heart is breaking everyday I pray for a relative or friend of mine that is incarcerated in the penal system. When they return to our world here on the outside-employers will not hire them! they have gone through the remorse and humiliation and imbarrassment so why can't they be treated as humans? I write as much as I can in hope that my relative never strays off his faith and is reassured that he is still loved no matter what. I find that anyone that doesn't care about family is a cold-hearted person whom lacks empathy! Matter of fact-someone else close to me was imprisoned because they deserved it, yet I never turned my back on them! They took their orders and followed every demand and ate the starchy foods and lived in poor conditions on the inside-I wouldn't want that for my worse enemy- On the other hand -If someone were to harm or murder a child I could see showing them no mercy! As far as mistakes or errors in judgment or failures due to drinking-God be with them and keep them safe until they can finally come home to loved ones who care! Because they have paid for their mistakes and we are not the chosen ones to condemn or judge them it is left up to some higher power. In all fairness I do have to add that keeping one confined will not pay the fees or rearages on anything and not hiring an individual on account of past issues is ridiculous! No wonder we are a failing econony here in Michigan! To Not associate with another human being and not forgive them because they are jailed, is terrible! Perhaps we should invest in a more healthy and recreational past time then bashing another human being for their errs! People can change from bad to good and from there hopefully get better. for Goodness sakes! Peace and Be Well-your pessimism and hurtful words of hatred will never dry my tears!
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109) Heart-broken Mom [by SAPOTTER on May 25, 2007]
Wise words! Talk to them and give thems words of advise, not hate and excuses! That is were rehabilitation will start!
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110) dear heart broken mom. [by Anonymous Citizen on May 25, 2007]
rehabilitation, at it's core, is giving a criminal NEW HABITS.

are you prepared to do a BETTER JOB this time than you did the last?

it would seem that you had a hand in shaping some, if not all, of the BAD HABITS that your loved one exhibited to get himself in jail in the first place.

it could be that you didnt' exercise your parental rights and keep a sufficiently close eye on your loved one, allowing him the freedom to mess up.

it could be that you DIDN'T REALLY CARE, and let him mess up.

i don't know, and i don't care.

i DO know that if your loved one was SENTENCED TO DO TEN YEARS, HE SHOULD DO TEN YEARS. not nine and a half, but TEN.

let him pay his debt to society IN FULL.

if your loved one has been "railroaded" (a common claim on this thread, always without substantiation) then you should take his case to a superior court and be prepared to substantiate your claims. if your claims are true, you should have no trouble getting a reversal.

i would be heartbroken too if i had done everything in my power and my loved one would have CHOSEN to commit crimes despite it all.

and by the way, exactly that HAPPENED, and MY loved one is STILL behind bars, and will STAY there for the entire term. when he get's out, he knows that he is NOT WELCOME in my home ANY MORE, FOR ANY REASON.

i don't visit. i don't send him money. to do so would make him think that i CONDONE his behavior.

i don't.

my last words to him were "you can rot."




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111) first off... [by Anonymous Citizen on April 25, 2007]
you have NO BUSINESS being concerned whether or not i write to incarcerated relatives.

second off,

i have no concern one way or anther what you shed tears over. it's NONE OF MY BUSINESS.

you have no idea of the situation that is involved here, and you have NO BUSINESS knowing about it.

so, dear liberal, MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS.

i know that you won't get this message, and that it will never sink in, as your bleeding heart has plugged up your busybody ears.


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112) pat [by Anonymous Citizen on April 18, 2007]
wrong. First degree murderers deserve the death penalty. period.
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113) well.. they closed camp brighton, opened camp.. [by suppressed american on April 9, 2007]
white lake. no exercise yard, hardly enough food to keep them satisfied. no programs to improve themselves. no heat, ran out of propane. the state of michiganistan can't even afford propane of a CAMP. 168 people in this factility.

i wonder if the capital building has heat ?? hey..it's a state owned building just like camp white lake.

now understand, this is a CAMP, not a full blown prison. this is for low level, low risk people. they are also being treated like high risk people. all this is bullsh** !!! no heat, hardly any food. i don't know about the rest of you but, this state is pissing me off more everyday.

now for the rest of you dog eat dog people, sound off .. please.
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114) no heat? [by Anonymous Citizen on April 9, 2007]
in a michigan winter?

aren't all michiganders winter hardy?

sounds a lot more like punishment to me.

could be a step in the right direction.
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115) i hope you NEVER have a loved one in prison .. [by suppressed american on April 11, 2007]
you would change your tune. but we wouldn't know. you don't have the bal** to identify yourself. you also drink alcohol on sunday in the basement so the neighbors don't know.

probably voted for jenny to.

so sit high on your pedistal for now. afer all YOU are soooo much better than the rest. probably don't even speed. you know..45 mph in a 35 mph zone. sugar doesn't even melt in your mouth your so sweet.
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116) why should you worry [by Anonymous Citizen on April 12, 2007]
about whether or not I have a relative in jail?

it's none of your business.

i have several relatives who are in jail, and a few who have been in jail SEVERAL TIMES.

i don't visit them.

i don't write to them.

i won't speak to them.

i don't allow them into or anywhere NEAR my home.

and before you start whining, one of them is my brother.

don't tell me that i should feel sorry for them.

i don't.

don't tell me that they DESERVE A SECOND CHANCE.

they don't.

it's up to ME whether or not they get a second chance.

in fact, they ALL got a SECOND CHANCE, and they ALL BLEW IT.

so,if YOU can't resist the allure of a 'bad boy', get over it. he doesn't want you, he wants his cellmate.
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117) my, my, my [by Anonymous Citizen on July 10, 2007]
I feel so sorry for you, my dear,and for your loved one in jail. love? apparently you have no real knowledge of this word.the great commandment of all. It is sad that you have such hatetred in your heart. If anyone have not sined let him cast the first stone. you have just cast it.think you 'll br forgiven????
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118) look in the MIRROR; ain't nobody PERFECT but JESUS!! [by Anonymous Citizen on April 25, 2007]
anonymous citizen: got NEWS 4 YOU; I am SOOOOOO THANKFUL that JESUS CHRIST did NOOOOTTTT share your DISTORTED VIEWS on 4Giveness or 2nd CHANCES or YOU'd be up you know what creek w/o a paddle cuz YOU can jolly well bet YOU have SINNED and done things against GOD's HOLY LAWS on this earth, cuz we ALL HAVE and yet YOU are still walking around FREE, and YOU better PRAISE GOD 4 it cuz YOU just ain't got caught doing them!!! And do NOOOOOTTTT go lumping ALL inmates into ONE category and say they ALL deserve or don't deserve
thus and such cuz ALOT of them are GREAT GUYS/ GALS who have just MESSED UP in life, as we ALL have, and they are NOT BAAAAADDDD people--we ALL are bad, only RIGHTEOUS thru CHRIST, remember!!! And besides, they do NOT all turn HOMO. when incarcerated, either: it IS possible to live a Pure Lifestyle called ABSTAINING, in there, u jerk
and I should know, cuz I have been CELIBATE on the OUTside now for nearly 15 yrs. and NOT cuz I couldn't get a man.....the man GOD BLESSED ME WITH and whom I CHOOSE to spend the rest of my life with is in prison here in Tx. and yet he is an AWESOME, GODLY, SWEET, GENTLE, LOVING, COMPASSIONATE, etc. man who LOVES and DESERVES to BE LOVED--and he treats me and my Daughter better than MOST men have on the outside, so be careful what you SAY AGAINST people cuz it WILL come back to bite you in the butt!!!!!!! I PRAY GOD Delivers you from such a cold, hard heart SOON!!!
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119) are you in TEXAS??? [by Anonymous Citizen on April 25, 2007]
why are you writing about a prisoner in TEXAS on a site about MICHIGAN???

please fill me in.
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120) JESUS told the [by Anonymous Citizen on April 25, 2007]
thief that he would be forgiven by GOD after being punished by MAN.

he never got him off without being punished.

maybe if you READ your bible, instead of THUMPING IT SO HARD, you'd REALIZE THAT.


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121) why is it that, [by Anonymous Citizen on April 25, 2007]
when faced with the FACTS of the situation they find themselves in, "loved ones" of convicted criminals always just pray that JESUS has mercy on our souls?

maybe if JESUS was in your loved one's life, he wouldn't be in jail today.

may the lord have mercy on HIS soul.

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122) i also have a relative [by Anonymous Citizen on April 12, 2007]
in jail.

i don't want him out early. he needs to serve every day of his sentence and then some.

he is a three time loser.

heavy emphasis on LOSER.
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123) oh... i forgot... [by Anonymous Citizen on April 12, 2007]
you think that men behind bars with other men are attractive.

you want YOURS back.

you think that such men deserve a new chance every time the *#^$ up.

maybe YOU are willing to give them that many chances, but i'm not.

tell me again how that makes me a loser?

you are the one waiting with baited breath for a man who enjoys sleeping next to other men.
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124) to whom do you think [by Anonymous Citizen on April 13, 2007]
you are talking, Mr. L?
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125) mr. liberal [by Anonymous Citizen on April 13, 2007]
or MS. liberal, as the case may be, is trying to rally the 'troops' to continue bombarding us with 'oh woe is me... my "loved one" is in jail for sodomizing camels at the zoo... he's been in there too long... i want him back... he deserves a seventy seventh CHANCE....


BULL!!!!!

he's getting what he deserves now.
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126) not this one. first time. yes made a.. [by suppressed american on April 14, 2007]
mistake. has done minimum with no tickets. had a job inside maintaining the facitily.MDOC closed facitity. moved to where there is no heat. hardly any food. lets all be proud that this is how PEOPLE are treated. lets be proud that michiganistan is last on every list no matter what list it is. you may all hold your heads up high. don't forget when you go out of state make sure you tell everyone where your from. then watch the little smirk on the other persons face. they wouldn't live here on a bet.

regardless that these are prisoners, they are also PEOPLE. yes they are paying for thier crime with time from thier lives. but, there is no reason for this kind of treatment.

ther is also no reason for 17000 inmates to be held beyond there minumum unless they are a threat, or, cause problems. this is a huge financal burden to the state ( you and i ). but of corse michiganistan has more $$$ than they know what to do with....and the saga continues..
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127) let's get this straight... [by Anonymous Citizen on May 27, 2007]
you are pissed because the governor closed the prison your loved one was in, to move them to another prison, and didn't let him out with the rest of the seven thousand inmates?

is that why you are pissed?

why don't you call jennie and ask her why she didn't release ALL the inmates instead of just a few?


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128) which is the bigger [by Anonymous Citizen on April 14, 2007]
financial burden?

having prisoners in jail?

or having them OUT OF JAIL?

i'm not willing to pay the cost in thefts, drug abuses, maimings, and killings that will happen when these inmates are released. remember, that's why we segregated them AWAY FROM US in the first place.

you may, and apparently DO.

i say, let's release YOUR LOVED ONE into YOUR care, custody, and control.

let's make YOU responsible for his actions, as he obviously doesn't want to be responsible for his own.

let's say that his "second chance" is tied to a "first offense" for YOU if he re-offends.

let's say that YOU do a five year stretch for promoting recidivism, plus whatever time he had left over. how does THAT sound to you?

that would give you an incentive to make sure that your 'loved one' stayed on the straight and narrow. it would also give you a reason to think through your decision to put five plus years of YOUR LIFE on the line for a person who has ALREADY pissed away a goodly portion of THEIR OWN LIFE.

society demands that SOMEONE be held responsible for your 'loved one's' mis-deeds. if you don't want it to be him, it might as well be YOU.


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129) there IS a reason to [by Anonymous Citizen on April 14, 2007]
keep them beyond their 'MINUMUMS'.

it's called TRUTH IN SENTENCING. the people demanded it because they were tired of people serving WEEKS on long sentences.

so they decided to demand that if a person gets TEN YEARS, that they do ALL of that ten years.

it was passed in an effort to lower our OVER 40% recidivism rate. it seems to be working.
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130) INMATES [by Anonymous Citizen on April 22, 2007]
I DO NOT LIVE IN MICHIGAN,BUT I DO WORK IN A TEXAS PRISON AND HAVE FOR 18 YEARS. YOU SHOULD HEAR THE STORIES. I JUST ASK OF ALL THE BLEEDING HARTS TO GO TO WORK IN A PRISON, AND LEASON TO ALL THE LIES THAT CAN BE TOLD TO YOU IN ONE MINUTE. I WAS TOLD LAST WEEK,"I AM NOT IN HERE FOR NOTHING." I ASK WHAT DID THE JUDGE SAY YOU DID? "I JUST ROBBER A BANK IN KATY, TEXAS." WELLLLLLL.... MAKE SURE IT IS PAYDAY NEXT TIME, MAYBE YOU CAN GET A BETTER ATTORNEY.
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131) it seems to [by Anonymous Citizen on April 12, 2007]
run in the family ... that L thing.
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132) i DO have a relative in jail [by Anonymous Citizen on April 12, 2007]
i put him there.

he got his mother's house taken away because he brought several kilograms of cocaine into her house to hide it there.

now she lives in a trailer that i helped to buy her.

she has no money, he stole it to buy drugs.

he got a VERY LONG SENTENCE as he sold drugs to kids (and an undercover cop).

i DON'T WANT HIM TO GET GOOD TIME.

in fact, the sooner he gets out, the sooner his ass whipping will begin.

i'm first in line.
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133) this is the old bill [by ninjaxxxxxxxxx on April 7, 2007]
this is the bill from 2005. if you have a comment to leave, go to the new version of this bill. it's bill #4262
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134) no Prop A pop up tax for good behavior [by Anonymous Citizen on April 1, 2007]
I think all citizens should be rewarded for their good behavior.
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135) good time seems fair [by Anonymous Citizen on April 1, 2007]
My brother is locked up for 6.5 years for so of coarse I am for good time. There is a reason for everything believe it or not. But given the stories that he has told me prison teaches you how to be a better criminal. The conditions and treatment makes them angry and in rage. Since when does it make sense to put a person in prison and not teach them life skills??? How can we expect them to come out rehabilitated when they are locked up day in and day out? What ever happened to the chain gang?
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136) good time seems fair??? [by Anonymous Citizen on April 2, 2007]
you say that you think that good time 'seems fair' because your brother is in jail.

no, you think that good time SOUNDS ATTRACTIVE because it would cause your brother to spend less time in jail.

if you are going to ask for something, at LEAST be truthful about it.


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137) who ever said that [by Anonymous Citizen on April 1, 2007]
we expect inmates to be 'rehabilitated'?

we expect inmates to be PUNISHED!!!

good time LESSENS THE PUNISHMENT.

i am ANGRY AND ENRAGED at being made a victim of your brother's crimes.

i am ANGRY AND ENRAGED at having to foot the bill to keep your brother incarcerated.

i am ANGRY AND ENRAGED at your brother being allowed PHONE CALLS WHENEVER HE WISHES, ALSO AT MY EXPENSE.

i don't get FREE PHONE CALLS.

i don't get FREE MEALS.

i don't get FREE ACCOMODATIONS.

i don't get TWO CHANCES AT A FREE EDUCATION.

but i have to pay so that your brother DOES.

YOU ARE BARKING UP THE WRONG TREE if you expect me to feel sorry for your brother.
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138) good question. [by Anonymous Citizen on April 1, 2007]
whatever happened to the chain gang?

your story of inmates learning to be better criminals is certainly the norm, not the acception.

it's amazing that criminals will pay rapt attention when learning better ways to deal dope, or break into houses, or kill cops, but will not even show up when being taught how to READ.

what ever happened to 'DEVIL'S ISLAND', or any of the 'old school prisons' where all inmates were to be totally silent all day? every one was in solitary confinement and they could not communicate at all.

i take it you agree with what your brother did to get in jail and support his efforts to continue his life of crime on his release?



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139) if you ignorant people only knew you wouldn't just.. [by suppressed american on March 28, 2007]
be flapping your keyboards. you go about your day all warm and fuzzy with jenny in office thinking it's going to be just great. BOY, ARE YOU STUPID !!!

what is comming your way, you don't even have a clue. there is NO WAY WITH HER PLAN THAT MICHIGANISTAN IS COMMING BACK UNDER HER WATCH !!!

it is MORE restrictions and TAXES !!! at this point in the game, WHO CAN AFFORD MORE TAXES ???

they closed down camp brighton. minimum security. reopended camp white lake that was close for years. 168 inmates in a facility that was built for 100. overcrowding, no cooling. people at minimum secuity being treated as maxiumum. something isn't right.

we have people in the MDOC that should be called on the carpet for the misspent and pi** poor management of this institution. i would also like to see jenny qiut fighting progress. quit taxing to death the people that live here.


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140) to all those waiting for [by Anonymous Citizen on March 21, 2007]
"GOOD TIME".

the "GOOD TIMES" for you will be coming soon, jennie is going to release ALL inmates, and close ALL prisons soon, because she can't run the state efficiently.

your loving murderers and rapists will be back in your arms soon. try to have fun with them before they go back to murdering and raping.

oh, by the way, sorry if it's YOU they murder or rape.


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141) don't be an ass. we're talking about.. [by suppressed american on March 21, 2007]
people that ARE NOT a threat. no one wants any threatening person around at all. rather than LISTENING and DIGESTING what is said, it's typical rude and crude additude of michganistan idiots.

which is why i like going to ohio and indiana on my harley. nice people. no additudes. something michiganistan has lost, and will be a long time getting it back....
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142) jenny will NOT [by Anonymous Citizen on March 21, 2007]
discriminate.

she's going to let them ALL out.
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143) NO SHE ISN"T !!!!! she is still kepping 17000 passed thier out date. [by suppressed american on March 25, 2007]
at $38000.00 per inmate per, year do the math. yet it's so wonderful she went to japan at our expense to bring 100 jobs home. BIG DEAL. WHAT ABOUT THE THOUSANDS OF OTHERS THAT DON"T HAVE WORK.

getting your head out of your A** and comming up with positive ways to get michiganistan back in gear is what we need. QUIT BLAMEING THE REPUBLICANS!!!! you damagocrats have the power now. do something about it.
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144) do something about [by Anonymous Citizen on March 26, 2007]
what?

getting a loved one out of the trouble he got himself into?

getting the state to lower the 'per inmate fee' which is exhorbitantly high?


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145) IGNORE [by Anonymous Citizen on March 26, 2007]
the TROLL
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146) attention liberals: [by Anonymous Citizen on March 26, 2007]
the TROLL is asking you not to answer any questions, especially those that would expose the liberal agenda.

so far you liberals have been doing the troll's bidding in yoeman fashion.

please continue to adhere to the troll's dogma, as your silence sometimes says more about what you support, and why you support it than your rhetoric.

just remember to follow the troll's dogma to the letter on election day.

IGNORE THE TROLL.
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147) having the power now [by Anonymous Citizen on March 26, 2007]
means that they have the RESPONSIBILITY.

they can't deal with responsibility. they haven't in four years, and they aren't about to start now.
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148) i know it's tough. i have a loved one that has been in for four years.. [by suppressed american on March 20, 2007]
thier minumum was three. got flopped for another year. just seen the parole board, they said they have thirty days to decide if another year is possable. now mind you this person has no tickets either. has been a model prisoner. but it just doesn't